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Why does ImmortalFaith list expensive items as ‘core items’ for supports?

To my knowledge ImmortalFaith's guides are typically considered good. Then there is a thing I don't understand…

Crystal Maiden guide by ImmortalFaith: Core items are Glimmer Cape, Force Staff, Black King Bar, Aghanim's Shard, Aghanim's Scepter, Aeon Disk.

Umm isn't CM a hard support who is NOT supposed to be able to afford these items? I mean if a CM has a BKB then many people would say that CM played horribly because she must have stolen farm from her cores. Isn't a pos 5 supposed to be the most item independet hero, for whom the only 'core items' are at most Force Staff and Glimmer Cape?

(Situational items are even worse: Arcane Blink, Lotus, Linken… but these are 'situational', so maybe its OK)

Also ImmortalFaith's description of Freezing Field:

Use it after Frostbite for maximum efficiency. A very strong spell if you have items like Glimmer Cape/Black King Bar/Aghanim's Scepter.

Isn't a CM who tries to play around her ult considered unviable? I mean I was asking about this in this sub many times and every time I was getting the same answers: Don't do this!

And description of Frostbite:

Use Frostbite to lock down enemies after you use Crystal Nova (has a bigger range than Frostbite) and give time for your team to come in or try to finish them off yourself with Freezing Field.

It can be used to farm big neutral creeps to gain extra levels and gold.

Again the ult mention + jungle farming, which is something a 5 is not supposed to be doing? (outside of pulling lanes)

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Other supports' guides are no better. Lich guide: Core items are Glimmer Cape, Force Staff, Ghost Scepter, Aghanim's Scepter, Aeon Disk. Ogre Magi support guide: Core items are Glimmer Cape, Force Staff, Scythe of Vyse, Aghanim's Scepter, Black King Bar; Bane is somewhat better because his core items are 'only' Glimmer Cape, Aether Lens, Force Staff, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Blink Dagger; Keeper of the Light continues the expensive trend: Core items are Aghanim's Scepter, Glimmer Cape, Force Staff, Blink Dagger, Scythe of Vyse, Orb of True Sight; I could go on and on…

Why is that so?

I can see two possible explanations:

  1. ImmortalFaith mislabels "core" items. In his nomenclature "core items" are not items the player should by default aim to get unless the situation calls for 'situational' items instead, but rather items that are good on the particular hero regardless whether the hero is going to be able to afford these items. So, according to this interpretation, Aghanim's Scepter is a strong item for CM (so it is listed as a 'core item') but nonetheless CM is simply not going to afford it in the vast majority of games. And here comes the weakness of this interpretation, because most people in this sub were telling me that Aghs on CM is simply unviable and bad. Even if for some reason CM has tons of money she should rather get items like Scythe of Vyse.
  2. ImmortalFaith doesn't subscribe to the meta that dictates that supports should play very selflessly and sacrificially and that an extreme disparity in net worth between supports and cores should be maintained. A possible argument for this interpretatin would be that to my knowledge OpenAI was known for giving supports significantly more net worth than the common knowledge dictates supports should get. Still, despite this, to my knowledge most people still insist that the extreme disparity is a good thing, so I suppose if ImmortalFaith disagreed with this common knowledge this would be somewhat notorious if not outright memetic?
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Can someone explain me this?


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