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The AMX-30C2 is a French main battle tank prototype, improving upon the original AMX-30 in a way that many French tech tree players will enjoy, the addition of a stabilizer, as well as thermal imaging. But first, a bit of history on the AMX-30.


In 1956, there were concerns that the M47 would not be enough to take on Soviet armor, and in France, the best tanks available were the AMX-13s, with thin armor and guns which could not take on a Soviet T-54 frontally. During this time, Franco-German relations had begun to improve. The FINBEL (France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg) organization put forth a set of requirements, which were finalized in 1957. The vehicle was to be 30 tons, 3.15 metres (10.3 ft) wide, 2.15 metres (7.1 ft) high, armed with a 105mm gun, have a 30 hp/ton ratio, and 350 kilometres (220 mi) range. Both France and Germany built tanks under the Europanzer project.

French version

German version

In 1958, the project began to fall apart, as the German and French engineers could not agree on whether to use the 105mm French gun, or the 105mm L7. Italy left eventually, and France began its own tank development program. Atelier de Construction d’Issy-les-Moulineaux, or AMX, under General Joseph Molinié were in charge of developing the tank. The first prototype was constructed in 1960. The prototype version was known as AMX-30A, while production versions were known as AMX-30B.

AMX-30 1er

The tank finally entered production in 1966 as the AMX-30B, armed with a 105mm gun, 12.7mm coaxial machine gun, and 7.62mm roof machine gun. One of the most revolutionary parts of the tank was the HEAT round developed for the gun, the Obus G. It had a special design allowing an outer shell to spin out of the barrel, while an inner one remained stationary until it hit the target. This was before HEAT rounds began to have fins to stabilize the round, and was an interesting solution to the issues encountered before.

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Obus G

AMX-30 with its combat load

In 1972, an upgrade fitted a 20mm Hispano-Suiza autocannon coaxially, but this wasn't the end for the AMX-30's development. In 1982, the AMX-30B2 entered production as a major upgrade for the AMX-30, which included a new FCS, and most importantly for French tank crews, a new transmission, something that had been an issue on earlier models. It had an upgraded engine, and could also now fire APFSDS rounds. 13 years later, an upgrade called 'BRENUS' would be fitted, adding ERA. The AMX-30B2 most notably saw combat in the Gulf War.


However, in 1990, another upgrade had been developed for the AMX-30, known as the AMX-30C2. A prototype was showcased, intended for production for export, but it was not a huge success, and one remains at the Saumur Général Estienne museum. So, what exactly did this upgrade include?

– A 850hp engine

– An automatic gearbox (SF LSG 3000)

– Reinforced suspensions

– Upgraded shock absorbers

– Side skirts

– A new FCS (digital)

– A laser telemetry

– A stabilized gunner sight and turret

In a way, it is similar to the AMX-30 Super, however this would retain the 20mm autocannon, and French 7.62mm machine gun on top.

Brochure of its new features

Why should this be added?

This would give France a stabilizer main battle tank with thermal imaging and APFSDS rounds, a tech tree equivalent to the AMX-30 Super, essentially. I would suggest putting it at 9.0, in the French tech tree, probably after the AMX-30B2 BRENUS.


Weight – 37 tonnes

Length – 9.48 m (31 ft 1 in) (gun forward)

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Width – 3.1 m (10 ft 2 in)

Height – 2.28 m (7 ft 6 in)

Crew – 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)

Armor – 80 mm (3.1 in) maximum


-105mm CN 105-F1 rifled gun
-20mm autocannon
-7.62mm machine gun

Engine – Hispano-Suiza 850-hp

Transmission – ZF LSG 3000

Suspension – Reinforced torsion bar with upgraded shock absorbers

Operational range – 600 km (370 mi)

Speed – 65 km/h (40 mph)










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