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Hungarian Tech Tree Proposal: Medium Tanks

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Hi, Tankers!

In my last post about the potential Hungarian Tech Tree, I wrote that soon I will make a dedicated post revealing the characteristics of each branch. I have spent my free time in the last weeks working on the medium line. In this article, I will be talking about that, from the Straussler V-4 to post-war autoloading plans.
The full tree proposal: https://www.reddit.com/r/…tree_proposal/

The Hungarian Tech Tree. I have marked the tanks that WG already has information about with an orange tick.

Branch Overview

  • Tier I: Str. V-4
  • Tier II: Toldi I
  • Tier III: Toldi II
  • Tier IV: Turán I
  • Tier V: Turán II
  • Tier VI: Turán III
  • Tier VII: Tas Prot.
  • Tier VIII: Tas K.
  • Tier IX: P. 88
  • Tier X: P. 100

From tankettes to high tiers

I will include a section of historical background and statistics for each vehicle, and how could their characteristics be represented in the game.

T1: Straussler V-4 (Light Tank V4)

Produced in small numbers, entered service in 1937

Straussler's further development of the V-3. The produced prototypes were tested in the UK, Italy, and Hungary between 1936-38. After the vehicle passed the trials, the Ministry of Defence ordered a total number of 110 vehicles, but later, when it was compared to the Landsverk L-60, work on the V-4 was stopped. It had a wheel driving mode with outstanding mobility and was amphibious. The 40 mm 37M gun was able to penetrate 60 mm armor, but in the reality, there were plenty of problems with the suspension.

V-4 on trials (left), and in Italy (right)

Source 1, 2, 3

T2: 38M Toldi I

190 vehicles produced, entered service in 1938

Based on the Swedish Landsverk L-60, the Toldi I was the first mass-produced Hungarian-developed vehicle. It had a modified armament and excellent top speed. Later, it became the base of the Toldi II and III light tanks, and the Toldi Páncélvadász tank destroyer with a 75 mm long-barrelled gun.

The only surviving Toldi in the Kubinka Tank Museum

Source 1, 2,.jpg) 3

T3: 42M Toldi II

A total of 110 Toldi's were upgraded or mass-produced and went into service

Based on the Toldi I, there were two main variants, the B20 and the B40 (logically with 20 and 40 mm guns). With the 40 mm gun, the turret became too heavy in the front, so engineers widened it to balance the weight. The Toldi II also had thickened armor, but with the same engine, causing lower top speed.

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A captured Toldi with the 40 mm gun

Source 1, 2

T4: 40M Turán I

Over 230 produced, in service after 1940

The Hungarian Ministry bought the licence of the Czechoslovakian LT-35 (T-21, not to be confused with the LT vzor 35). The Hungarian design featured a three-man turret on German proposal and thickened armor protection. After the first variants saw combat, it was clear that their 40 mm guns weren't enough. The Turáns was in service until the end of the war and were equipped with additional armor.

40M Turáns in side skirts

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T5: 41M Turán II

A total number of 309 upgraded Turáns saw combat, but 180 more Turán II's were produced

Based on the 40M Turán, the Turán II was mounted with a short-barrelled 75 mm gun, and a modified turret (note the slope on the top). The late-war Turán 75's had additional armor protection as well, but most of them were outdated by the time. The Zrínyi I and II tank destroyers were also based on the chassis' of the obsolete Turáns, such as the Toldi PV on the Toldi.

Turán II in action

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T6: 43M Turán III

Two prototypes with different turrets were produced, never saw combat

In March 1943, engineers redesigned the Turán with a long-barrelled 75 mm quick-firing gun, and thickened armor, that can cope with most Soviet tanks. However, as the mass-production of the 75 mm guns were protracted, no 43M Turáns were built, except the experimental ones.

43M Turán III with the prototype turret

Source 1, 2

T7: 44M Tas Prototípus

Two prototypes were partly built, but an American bomber destroyed both

Based on the Panzer V, and design solutions used by Soviet engineers, the Tas was the last built tank in the war that was developed independently by Hungary. Work on the project started in early '43, as Hungarian engineers had been allowed to inspect and study the latest German designs, such as the Panther. The Tas had thicker armor than the Panther, and featured two 260 h.p. WM V-8 engines and a 75 mm long-barrelled gun, but a stronger, 700 h.p. WM V-12 engine and a 80 mm gun was planned to be fitted in the vehicle.

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The original scale model that was shown to army officials in 1943

Source 1, 2, 3, 4

T8: 44M Tas Korbuly-variant

Existed only in blueprints

This model is reconstructed by Pál Korbuly, son of the Tas's lead developer János Korbuly after the war, based on oral historical sources. The vehicle, compared to the Panther, had an enlarged turret and improved hull design, according to the employees, who were working on the prototype in 1943.

The mockup of the Tas made by Pál Korbuly

Source 1, 2, 3

T9: Projekt 88

Existed only in blueprints

There is not much to know about this project. It was a post-war autoloader project but was found in Czechoslovakian archives, furthermore, Hungary didn't have the technology by 1948. A blueprint of two variant known, mounting an 88 and a 100 mm autoloading gun. While the Czechs had autoloaders right after the war, it is unlikely that they would have sold the licence to Hungary.

The original 88 mm turret. Note that the rotating system is at the rear of the turret ring, so the turret would have been unable to traverse on the design above.

This is what the turret should have looked like with the rotating system at the rear.

Source 1, 2, 3

T10: Projekt 100

This is the 100 mm variant of the model mentioned above. It had a larger turret, but with the same system, so it should have had a round turret ring instead of the oval as well. The top tier mediums will have a new autoloading system, but more on that later.

Source

Modules

https://imgur.com/a/VtwUWuS

Characteristics

https://imgur.com/a/E8dLLES

The new autoloading mechanics

https://streamable.com/muciwi

Note that it is not official gameplay, and the models aren't 100% accurate, they are just for illustrative purposes only!
As for the autoloader, the clip above is showing the P. 88. In this case, it has 4 rounds in the magazine with 5 seconds of autoreload on each (so you won't lose DPM by shooting), but it won't start reloading like the Progetto until the whole magazine is empty. The shells have 4 seconds intra-clip reload. When you shoot during reload, it won't break it and start the reload again. When your magazine is empty, to start loading a new magazine, you have to wait 5 seconds of lock time.

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All the design elements and writeups are mines. I did not own the blueprints or the pictures of vehicles showed above, you can find them in the sources. I shared the information about these tanks to let you all know about the Hungarian Army because I bet many of you didn't know about the models.

Thanks for reading through, check back soon for information about the td's.

Source: reddit.com

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